But I figured if I
posted it, I could bring the stupidity to the masses!
FeralBastet
doesn't like what's been done in Werewolf: the Forsaken.
Highlights:
FeralBastet bitches a lot. Crowned_Sun and wyrm try and talk to him about this; he's having none of it. Finally, in exasperation, Crowned_Sun decides that the reason FB doesn't like the new game is because it doesn't have werecats. FB wonders where and why he invented this explanation...
Crowned_Sun:
I think it because there has to be SOME kind of explanation for "Werewolves suck! If you take Mr. Atlas, give him body armor, a wepaon of some kind, and willpower 10...he'll kill that Werewolves ass! So werewolf isn't horror!" and that's the only reason I can think of.Someone points out that FB is totally disregarding, you know, Gifts/Totems/Fetishes.
FeralBastet:
Yeah I disregarded gifts. When I want to do things like the gifts allow I'll just wait for mage to come out. If thats not messed up itself. ...
I imitate Jon Stewart... now. "BUH???!"
Crowned_Sun is actually quite brilliant in this imitation of FB:
"If you're not taking on rambo, you're not horror!" FB keeps complaining.
And that, friends, was where I started bashing my head against my desk.
HOWEVER.
It gets better.
Specifically, that thread up there "degenerates into a flamewar", so FB STARTS A NEW ONE!!!
Are Uratha horrific? Part deux.Here, FB takes a slightly different tack, at first:
Lets say someone who wasnt a werewolf. Lets say off the top of my head Jay Leno (for lack of a better person off the top of my head) Possessed the strength, regeneration, and gifts of a Werewolf. But he didn't possess shapeshifting(he could gain the strength of these forms but not put on the show of actually transforming), or Lunacy. TwiceDead rejoinders with this, which is hilarious and true:
Does evil Jay Leno have a feral mien? Is evil Jay Leno prepared to kill me because I read the big black book of spirits? Will big bad Jay Leno keep coming after me no matter what? Can he throw fire at me, call down ligftning? Transform into my best buddy? Run at terrifying speeds? Track me anywhere? Snarl at me and cow me in a moment? Can he bind me so i cannoit run with but a few words? Does evil Jay Leno realise he must fight for his life everyday and thus spend a lot of time training for battle and working out whilst I sit in starbucks sipping my latte and reading Empire magazine?
That scares me.FB comes back, slightly later, when someone points out that even the GEEKIEST GEEK TO EVER GEEK A WEREWOLF can take out Average Joe with a knife:
Sure if you put a geekwolf up against an average person the geekwolf will still win. But take geekwolf and put him up against some hard nosed ubercommando and we have problems again.Ethan Skemp, thank God, is sane:
The mere premise of a geekwolf against a hard-nosed ubercommando certainly does have problems. Consider this as a movie pitch. What movie studio would take this seriously?
I'm really not sure why you felt the need to create two threads on this. You're already convinced that the numbers printed on the page for form stats do not terrify you, for the most part based on situations where it is conceivable that a weak werewolf can be beaten by a very strong human. Nobody's going to convince you otherwise, and the form statistics aren't going to change — we find them very suitable for where werewolves are supposed to be, and you're not going to change them in your own game.
Why is this worth a second thread?Someone points out that the Geek isn't worried about Commando; he's worried about ripping his family (or the girl he has a crush on) to shreds.
FeralBastet returns this volley:
(other person) These are not inept humans, they are normal humans. Commando is abnormal.
Well regardless my only alternative left as to not make the werewolves lose credibility is to use only "normal" humans in my game. Which means that even the law enforcement on the streets will be the equivalent of Police Chief Wiggum. ...WHAT?!?!?!
Kordeth calls him on bullshit:
Where are you getting this ridiculously binary idea that everybody on earth is either a James Bond death-ninja commando or a drooling incompetent incapable of wiping his own ass? There is such a thing as a middle ground, y'know.FeralBastet finally comes to a conclusion on page 5:
As much as WW thought it necessary to downgrade the Uratha, I will go one better and downgrade the entire human race. Almost every human I will use in a Werewolf game will have no more than one dot in any given stat or ability. And the most skilled people such as veteran cops may have 2 in some areas but no more.TwiceDead:
So instead of accepting that Uratha are genuinely scary... you've decided to Nerf humanity?
OK... odd solution to a no-existant problem. But if it makes you happy :)A few people go on trying to convince him he's an idiot; he brushes them off with "I have a non-houseruling solution now!"
FB:
I can make humans weaker and it technically isnt house ruling. But if I add to the werewolf stats than it is house ruling.
And house ruling goes angainst my no house rules rule.Crowned_Sun is hilarious with this (sort of) parting shot:
Ah! That's okay then.
I claim victory!
I told you, in the LAST thread, that you were overstating your humans.
You apparently had a delayed reaction, but eventually agreed with me in the end. Albiet you took it a bit further than I did.
So, yay! Go me! I win!
*does the victory dance*EDIT: He goes away for a while... AND THEN COMES BACK!!! (End page 6, p. 7)
Oh man. I missed so much in leaving this thread early.
darkfall14 also has a great sum-up:
Feralbastet invites some friends over for a werewolf game:
*session begins*
Fb: remember guys, this game's gonna be pretty horrific, just letting you guys be ready for it
players: ok cool
Fb: your pack runs through the forest, on patrol
random player: can i summon a rainfall??
Fb: NO!!! this is horror!! not furries with superpowers!!!!
random player: um..ok
Fb: suddenly, you encounter a team of green barets, supported by 5 kung-fu experts!! what do you do??
players: our geekwolves attack!!!
fb: they fall to your claws!!! none survive!!! you don't even take any damage!!!
players: really??
fb: can't you feel the horror??? are you terrified yet
players: umm....
fb: YOU PLAYERS HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HORROR IS!! GET OUT OF MY HOUSE!!!!
*session ends*
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And that, friends, is the story of Why Forums Are Bad For My Health, or Why Wyrm, Crowned_Sun, ESkemp and Kordeth Are My Heroes, or Why Idiots Should Not Be Allowed Online.