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[alexmegami]

I have a problem with games with unbeatable antagonists. It really pisses me off.

Just thought I'd let everyone know.

(This does not reference any game I'm in, but rather a discussion about the fate of the Exalted world.)

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[achpsident.livejournal.com]

Likewise. There seems to be a conflict of philosophies among the writers for the Exalted line; in one of the monster books, there was a creature where they said 'If the players try to attack it, you should just take away their character sheets', but one of the other writers for it said online "That's just so you can write 'Badass' on them and pass them back.' I think the second attitude is much better, maybe some of the writers have trouble getting Vampire out of their writing system...

[alexmegami]

Yes! (Seriously, they said that? WTF? Dumb dumb dumb, ESPECIALLY in Exalted.)

I can understand things being too big for the current group. I can understand even something that requires the amassed might of all the Solars in Creation.

But that's not unbeatable. That's just Really Fucking Difficult.

I don't even like the idea in Vampire, though I am less opposed to it. Only slightly, though.

[achpsident.livejournal.com]

Yeah, they did, which given that the Solars helped take down, you know, the PRIMORDIALS, is even stupider than it might have been. It also goes against the console-RPG heritage of the game; in FF7, Sephiroth blows up a star system to hurt you, and then does it again, in SMT 2 you kill God with the help of Satan and/or Lucifer. One measly dragon shouldn't have god NPC status.

[alexmegami]

Indeed!

It's part of the reason I hate the idea that Creation dies because the Solars screw up somehow, or the Yozis take over or whatever. Maybe in a WoD game that works, but to me it's equivalent of saying "Well, looks like Frodo got stabbed by the Daiklaive of Ultimate Doom, WORLD OVER." I can accept bittersweet endings (say, the Solars unite all the Exalted to give one last push against the forces of death, evil and chaos) and banish them from the world at the cost of their own power. But for them to just gutter out because a Primordial woke up for an evening snack? What kind of fantasy ending is that?

I don't even mind that the Deathlords are statted out... it means that feasibly you could go up against them one day.